Now we had to roll with the punches, yes we did With the extra costs, you’re looking at a billion bucks every five years or so. All Rights Reserved. You got that right. It takes time to mobilize for a problem of this unimaginable magnitude. You know, I think that would be part of the expense: replacing the bottled water every year or two, replacing the MRE’s as needed. The center was planned starting in 1978. A flood victim in need of medical attention is carted away from the Convention Center in New Orleans, Thursday, Sept. 1, 2005. Why do you expect the state and local officials to be incompetant? A small point, the Governors of the States are the one’s with the primary responsibilities for the disaster preparation and recovery not the President. And people are dying. In 2009, they've booked 541,860 and 504,240 for 2010. I think you are a bit hypercritical myself. In terms of flooding and such, though, one presumes that stockpiles would also be subject to the same flooding, no? It is absolutely beyond me as to why Gov. CNN’s Chris Lawrence described “many, many” bodies, inside and outside the facility on New Orleans’ Riverwalk. The old Red, White and Blue. Pres. and I am more than aware the walk could of been accomplished.”, This refrain is familiar. People would be going livid that Bush did this when their is such a large gap in our society between the rich and the poor. *Most didn’t own a car*, some had a clunker of some sort and nowhere to go. But the fundamentals: water, food, sanitation (I have no idea how you secure that helicopter – maybe empty dumpsters with toilet seats over the sides?) You know, I think that would be part of the expense: replacing the bottled water every year or two, replacing the MRE’s as needed. The West Bank doesn’t have the first level of protection completed. But as Hurricane Katrina threatened the area, they canceled the last week in order to evacuate. I was the Emergency Communications Coordinator in the Center of the 1989 California Earthquake. Demma does not expect the Corps to award many more projects before fiscal year 2005 ends. We had to roll with ’em, I don’t care what you say Obvious constants would be water, rations, & evacuation. President Bush did declared the area a disaster area days before the hurricane hit. The burden that reduced funding puts on us is that funds are not necessarily available in each fiscal year to pay for the construction work that we might be able to do, Boh said. However no such resources were there for several days. Note: CNN links numerous javascript videos from the story above. Boh Bros. Construction Co. LLC of New Orleans waited until November for the Corps to pay off a nearly $2 million debt, said Robert S. Boh, company president. Victims must be calmed, triaged, stabilized, moved and managed. FEMA is not suspending operations,” said Natalie Rule of the Federal Emergency Management Agency in Washington. People say the government is a disgrace when in reality the people who have let absurd insane politically driven rhetoric fill the airwaves and blogs are the true disgrace. After Hurricane Katrina passed through the city in 2005, thousands of evacuees were directed to the Convention Center as an unofficial evacuation center. In fiscal year 2006, the need more than doubles to at least $150 million. Eric Gay/AP Thousands of New Orleans residents gather at a … Provided by ProQuest Information and Learning Company. Let’s remind each other, F.E.M.A. Shrugging off the human cost of incompetence? 40 comments. What defeatist excuse making. Hurricane Katrina made its second and third landfalls in the Gulf Coast region on Monday, August 29, 2005 as a Category 3 hurricane. Ernest N. Morial Convention Center: Lots of improvements since Katrina - See 264 traveler reviews, 89 candid photos, and great deals for New Orleans, LA, at Tripadvisor. Where are the C5a’s and the C117s etc.? I would have loved the relief efforts to be a flawless operation casting a golden light on Bush’s administration. Look at it this way: How many airports are designed/equipped to handle 747s? This is a massive fuckup at all levels. That includes construction and maintenance of levees. So, Why did she not let the Red Cross come in again? Today’s dose of NIF – News, Interesting & Funny … It’s Stop the ACLU Thursday, and Katrina Relief Day! The New Orleans Ernest N. Morial Convention Center features an award winning staff and first class amenities, and is the sixth largest convention center in the nation. It kinda sounds more like you have an ax to grind…. A real disgrace. No ax to grind either. We have talked about the red, we have talked about the blue It don’t matter whether you’re white, black or brown “There was an old woman, dead in a wheelchair with a blanket draped over her, pushed up against a wall. CNN reports that numerous people displaced by Hurricane Katrina at dying at the New Orleans convention center. I am so tired of hearing whiney annoying people say they didn’t have a car! 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(one of FEMA’s top 3 disaster potentials in 2001), an earthquake in San Fran, or whatever, and that steps had to be taken. It is the 5th-largest facility of its kind in the United States, and as of early 2005 was the second-busiest. Experience living in Mississippi & Louisiana, that’s why. A previously scheduled expansion project, which would add 524,000 square feet (48,700 m2) of exhibition space in a new building, has been temporarily delayed. Actually, having a lot of different suppliers slap food into boxes from a thousand different locations ends up being cheaper *and* faster than trying to get a bunch of MREs from a bunch of government-run warehouses. One hundred forty million dollars every year, just to replace the ones that went bad. I think the projects are of critical importance in reducing rainfall flooding, Green said. We don’t owe them a new mind with more sense, but it shouldn’t be a death sentence. But I’m sure this guy’s wrong, and we couldn’t do anything, because we’re just a 3d world country. Katrina destroyed 134,000 homes and apartments in New Orleans. The route north to the Superdome is blocked by chest-deep water. They’re acting like people do. A consistent Top 10 host of the largest conventions and tradeshows in the nation annually, the Convention Center is … All Original Content Copyright © 2003-2019 by OTB. Just don’t anybody ever breathe a word to me again about Bush v. terror, because it’s obvious that in the event of another terror attack, he and DHS will be as clueless as in this event. So, that’s the really critical one, Demma said. Not enough. That is a tough burden that is placed on us, Boh said. One hundred forty million dollars every year, just to replace the ones that went bad. I think we can rule out Cirby’s being confirmed as the FEMA chief. *That* is what’s driving me & others nuts. Um, no. We had to roll with ’em No one is listening to your moronic statements but other morons because REAL MEN and WOMEN are out their trying to help people instead of blaming people. We had to roll with the punches The Ernest N. Morial Convention Center is in New Orleans, Louisiana, United States. You pay for storage, you pay for the people to maintain the inventory. Horrible, horrible conditions. In the confusion following the disaster, people escaping from flooded neighborhoods were directed to the Convention Center by police and word of mouth, with the expectation that there would be provisions, aid, and evacuation buses there. More people were arriving at the center, walking south along Canal Street. However, how about C130s landing a New Orleans as well as other Area Airports? “There are multiple people dying at the convention center,” he said. [citation needed] The Morial Convention Center was declared evacuated on September 4. Jeffrey Carter. It is named after former Mayor of New Orleans Ernest Nathan Morial. These are the same people who would of been complaining about the condition of the economy if we would of allocated these funds previous to a disaster. Get it! All rights Reserved. Less than three (3) days to anarchy. It’s Lord of the Flies..” They’re also…. Green said SELA has 14 project plans that could be awarded if funds were available. If you and I were to sit down in a coffee shop one afternoon and doodle up a disaster relief plan, I think we’d come up with that one the first hour. And people are dying. On the bright side, the West Bank work has been receiving higher funding than usual in the past few years to get this work done, she said. See a Saints game at the Superdome, a Mardi Gras parade in the French Quarter or a Jazz Fest concert! Anyone want to guess who’s even further down the list? The convention center was used as a secondary shelter when the Louisiana Superdome was overwhelmed. FEMA did have preposition stocks, equipment and personnel ready. Copyright 2005 Dolan Media Newswires “But the truth is these people could of gotten to higher ground by walking in the time they had I know this because I have been to N.O. Congrats when your city gets attacked and this shit repeats itself. You can see all the way to Argentina The most urgent work being delayed by funding shortfalls involves levee construction on the West Bank. Look around next time the news is on cars litter the flooded landscape. If you care about responding to disasters, then you spend money on it. As the author says, “It’s the wild kingdom. I’m worn out. The only reasonable plan is to bring things in from out of the area. It was common knowledge from at least a day & a half before the storm hit, that N.O. One immediate solution was to bring in small travel trailers. THAT IS WHY THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PLAN AHEAD OF TIME. In general, funding for construction has been on a downward trend for the past several years, said Marcia Demma, chief of the New Orleans Corps’ programs management branch. The poor conditions and lack of prompt government response at the convention center were revealed to the nation on several TV news networks including CNN and Fox. Most didn’t own a car, some had a clunker of some sort and nowhere to go. The stories were told by residents trapped inside the Superdome and convention center and were repeated by public officials. Due to Covid-19 restrictions, hours and schedules of some businesses and services may be disrupted. If you care about responding to disasters, then you spend money on it. Hundreds of tractor-trailers, and they’d be sitting in the middle of nowhere, because you *can’t* get them in. It is almost as if a hydrogen bomb had exploded in the center of New Orleans and atom bombs exploded in Biloxi and Gulfport. In 2007, the Convention Center says it expects 324,568 people to visit and particpate in events held at the Convention Center. Ten stories on the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina you may not have seen…Blogging the aftermath of Katrina from DirectNIC’s data center in downtown New Orleans. and I am more than aware the walk could of been accomplished. Later that day, area affiliates of local television station WDSU reported New Orleans was experiencing widespread flooding due to breaches of several Army Corps-built levees, was without power, and experienced several instances of catastrophic damage in residential and business areas. The ugliest reports — children with slit throats, women dragged off and raped, corpses piling up in the basement — soon became a searing image of post-Katrina New Orleans. Thousands of troops poured into the city September 2 to help with security and delivery of supplies in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. I’ve spent years working on and helping coordinate search and rescue and forest fire-fighting operations (though admittedly never in hurricane relief). I am sure they could use your expertise. I am so f*ing ashamed. These are the same people who were bashing Bush months ago and our now getting a lesson in “The boy who cried wolf”. This is why they say that amateurs talk tactics, while experts talk logistics. About how bad things have come to be. They’re acting like people do. Despair, death pervade New Orleans Thousands of … Don’t forget the water, which is much bulkier and heavier than the MREs. http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB112603869789333061,00.html?mod=home_whats_news_us. Have Florida and California state and local officials been historically incompetant in hurricane and earthquake situations? the budget for maintaining The culvert, an underground concrete box that carries water to a pumping station, would improve the flow of water to the Dwyer Road pumping station, where construction should be completed by October, he said. Well at least they ought to have the chance to go there No formal training whatsoever, a quality I share with the head of FEMA and the head of Homeland Security. Thousands gathered at the complex in difficult conditions with no power, no water, no food, no medical supplies, no proper sanitation, and no public order, only minimal occasional law enforcement presence within the center, resulting in incidents of crime and gang violence. Which is happening. And they’re making up all these boring stories Was she just waiting to lean on Bush’s shoulder like she was a victim? Blanco did not call in her own national guard, which was available. We had a system food+water system in place for fallout shelters; it’s been done. My understanding is that the viable airports aren’t there any more. So pretty…, Let ’em go to Belgium, let ’em go to France We’ve been on notice at least since 9/11 that there’s a very real prospect of massive devastation to an entire city. There’s a wide area where we’re still doing rescues. They gonna have to roll with the punches, yes they will. NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Four days after Hurricane Katrina devastated much of the northern Gulf Coast, tired and angry people stranded at the convention center in New Orleans … Chances are, though, most projects will not be funded in the president’s 2006 fiscal year budget to be released today. That is, we could preposition a warehouse full of food and water and have it rendered inaccessible by the storm.” HER!!!!!!!! (76-month shelf life at 80 degrees.) You need that many, if that’s your aim (a million people who need aid, only two meals a day, for a month and a half – inadequate for the current disaster, but it’s a start).”. Have you noticed how the media has been doing a totally schizo job on this, from “Ha ha ha! At least, where not made expressly clear by your previous comments? Green said the 14 projects consist of widening canals and replacing bridges, such as the West Esplanade Avenue bridge at Elmwood Canal, which restricts water flow in area canals. In 2008, the Center was renamed the New Orleans Morial Convention Center in order to emphasize its New Orleans location.[1]. The head of Acadian Ambulance Service, Richard Zuschlag, said Wednesday that a generator was stolen from his command center and an ambulance was tipped over as his workers tried to evacuate hospitals. A spurt of development in the 1980s brought the New Orleans Ernest N. Morial Convention Center. Tap it baby. 14 photographers look back at the impact Hurricane Katrina had on New Orleans. “There are multiple people dying at the convention center,” he said. The scope is just now becoming apparent and although we have the benefit of instant communications. Officers told CNN they lacked manpower and steady communications to properly do their jobs — and that they needed help to prevent the widespread looting and violence now prevalent in the city. Fourteen SELA projects worth $114 million could be awarded, he said. “We saw a man who went into a seizure, literally dying right in front of us.” People were “being forced to lived like animals,” Lawrence said—surrounded by piles of trash and feces.Chaos:Fights and fires broke out, corpses lay out in the open, and rescue helicopters and law enforcement officers were shot at as flooded-out New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday. Gonna have to roll with them. New Orleans, or NOLA, is a great place to attend a conference.I recently attended my fifth American Library Association annual meeting there. “We’re having to hold off going in until we’re assured that the areas are safe to transit,” said USCG Lt. Cmdr. The infrastructure is damaged that much. Their are thousands of family’s in Texas and other surrounding states that had no money, no car, and no were to go but yet they still gathered what little they did have and marched to the super dome. Give me a break if a hurricane with these types of implications were coming my way and my family had a 4 to 5 day warning we would of hiked to high ground! But the flip side is that they also weigh more. They’re not reporting the people trying to clean up the convention center and lining up waiting to be picked up when the authorities showed up… only to have weapons pointed at them when they tried to help the national guard safely distribute supplies! There’s a weird pro-Bush complacency at work here that does not fit my pride in the U.S.A. “Oh, of course we can’t provide our troops with armored vehicles after 2 years of war.” “Oh, of course we can’t provide food and water by air in 24 hours’ time.” I believe that if the President’s people had declared those to be unalterable priorities, they would’ve happened. Meanwhile, boat rescues in some areas of flooded out New Orleans have been curtailed because of violence, officials said Thursday. Cirby’s “local supplies” would be JUST FINE, if anyone actually had a plan to get them & deliver them. Since this point got lost in the noise: the reason the majority of victims in this are going to die is that they *wouldn’t leave*. Coordinated planning for evacuations & shelters? A terrorist attack would present about the same scale of catastrophe. The complex was named in honor of Ernest N. Morial, the city's first African American mayor, in 1992. Or to quote another source, “genius does what it must, talent does what it can.”. And then you’re back on the ground, which means you have to move that stuff to New Orleans. Where is the plan? Some parked them on their property as they repaired their homes. Corps projects are important to companies such as Boh Bros., which is in the middle of a $36 million contract to install floodgates for the Harvey Canal. With the extra costs, you’re looking at a billion bucks every five years or so. This is not a good omen of our capabilities to deal with such an attack 4 years after 9/11. National Guard shoving water off the backs of trucks. I don’t really care *how* relief’s handled, and as I just commented elsewhere at OTB, I didn’t have grandiose expectations for what could be done: fill the city with troops by Tuesday night, and have plenty of food/water for the wretches at the convention center & Superdome. Looking at the pictures, that sounds like a good price to me. The center was planned starting in 1978. We did this during the 1989 California Earthquake. Not uninteresting, Jesse, but could you (1) attribute and (2) analyze, or at least comment? Once they heard of the piles of feces, plus the stories of rapes and gangs, they stayed home. It is amazing sitting here listening to all these people who have all the answers after the fact. Still, $3.5 million in West Bank construction contracts have not been funded in fiscal year 2005. The NYT showed copters landing water & food tonight at the CC. They were told no! Resources we need desperatly at home now have been squandered on a tragic mistake overseas. Even a nation as wealty and powerful as American has limits to its resources. There were no inland staging areas of resources, there was a complete failure to drop cargo nets of humanitarian food packets (MREs of lentils that say “a gift from the citizens of the United States” on them) and blivets (giant water balloons) of potable water. CNN reports that numerous people displaced by Hurricane Katrina at dying at the New Orleans convention center. The real problem with this disaster is that people are people. The last time a SELA contract was awarded was early in fiscal year 2004, he said. BTW, this is one reason why more people is not necessarily better. The Corps also wants to build levees in unprotected areas on the West Bank. Are y’all really so cool with that? Horrible, horrible conditions. The 2006 renovations included the creation of the 4,032-seat New Orleans Theater, a concert hall used primarily for concerts, Broadway stage shows, and other special events. Dogs and cats living together. What has our “department of homeland security” been doing for 4 years? In 2008, the Center was renamed the New Orleans Morial Convention Center in order to emphasiz… RANK!!!!!!!!!! Patience, generousity and resolve are necessary in this situation. The Red Cross was right out side the area waiting in the go ahead to come in with a full supply of the needed items,food,water,etc. The front of the main building is 1 kilometer long. But the bulk, perhaps 90% couldn’t afford to get out. The city is surrounded on all sides by the Mississippi River, Lake Pontchartrain, and Lake Borgne, as well as swampland. The counties involved had nearly 5,000,000 inhabitants before this. There’s all these boring people, you see ’em on the TV View full size Ron Haviv A National Guard soldier walks past a covered body at the Convention Center on Sept. 3, 2005, where people took refuge after Hurricane Katrina. But SELA’s 2005 budget is only $28.5 million, he said. Mass hysteria!”. Trying to find out what happened. If so, can you share some of your experience with those now responsible in Louisiana, Alabama or Mississippi? Wake up LIBS it’s the truth stop lying to yourselves!!! “We saw a man who went into a seizure, literally dying right in front of us.” People were “being forced to lived like animals,” Lawrence said — surrounded by piles of trash and feces. It is clear here that the only way to alleviate and rebuild New Orleans is to invade Iran. * Getting it there isn’t going to be any easier than getting a bunch of MREs there. “Okay, you stockpile a million MREs in each of a hundred different disaster locations (at a cost of a couple of bucks each). couldn’t afford to get out. An earlier poster pointed out that navy rescue and hospital ships are late in getting started, but from what I can gather is that the fundamentals have been screwed up coming and going. That’s what we’re gonna have to do Were the New York state and local officials incompetant on 9/11? Having heard exaggerated alarms before, some old timers didn’t listen when they should have. The real problem with this disaster is that *people are people*. These things include standing in single file lines with the eldery in front, women and children next; sweeping up the area and cleaning the windows and anything else that would show the people are not barbarians.
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